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Here is what I found in Fans of the Coldfire Trilogy on Facebook:

Teisha Rowland

Hello, all! I just received some messages from C. S. Friedman herself about the ending of the Coldfire Trilogy! So exciting. She also encourages anyone who would like to chat with her to please visit her at http://www.csfriedman.com/ !
Here is what she wrote:

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…Riven Forrest is the offspring of Gerald Tarrant and the Iezu Mother. Which makes him a Iezu. As with her other matings, she took an aspect of his soul and used it to create a child; presumably that aspect is now gone from Gerald...but who knows? As Gerald's hunter-essence was the very core of his identity, sacrificing it counted as "death", as far as the fae was concerned. Gerald Tarrant as he existed before was, in a very real sense, dead.

Tarrant had convinced Andrys to allow that, in order to preserve his own soul from Calesta's corruption; if Andrys had pulled the trigger, his own life would have been effectively destroyed. But the price he demanded was the "death" of his ancestor in all but body. Now the essence of the Hunter was gone; the Forest he had nurtured was in ruins; Tarrant surrendered the title of Neocount that he had clung to for nine centuries and agreed to sever all ties with his family, forever. His identity, and all the trappings of his former life, were his sacrifice, and because the Patriarch had not yet made his own offering, it was enough. That was why he could not admit to his identity later; it would have compromised the Working.

As for the head..it was fake. Gerald was a master sorcerer, so how much effort did it take to sculpt unliving flesh? They figured that if people saw Andrys carrying Tarrant's head after such a showdown, no one was going to jump to the conclusion it was a fake (look how many of you all didn't think that :-)) Ten minutes later it was burning, and all the evidence was gone.

Andrys did not agree to any of that out of mercy, of course, but to save his own soul. And in the end he cut a pretty good deal, and had his vengeance, stripping Gerald of everything he valued, down to his name. But part of Tarrant's character concept was that he never accepted defeat. And I have no doubt that if there is any loophole in the new rules of the, that allow a man to work it without dying, he will find it.

Of course, that was part of the inspiration for The Magister Trilogy, a fantasy world featuring men who found such a loophole in their own similar system (and wait until you find out how, in Volume III!)

Hope that helps :-) C. S. Friedman

Date: 2010-12-30 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
HA! I knew it. All we fic writers did. No way Gerald would allow a wimp like Andrys to simply behead him.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:11 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Honestly, I'm having trouble understanding why this is even a question. The book all but spells it out, doesn't it?

Date: 2010-12-30 08:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
It does, all this changes is that the 'how' I always thought was the most likely version of events is now the official one.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:17 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
I'm really shocked to realise there are apparently people who actually thought Andrys beheaded him, though. What did they think that entire conversation there at the end was about?!

(But then again, there are people who think Riven is Gerald. Which I also never understood ...)

Date: 2010-12-30 08:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
That one's always puzzled me, too. I mean... I don' thave the book here to check, but doesn't Riven actually call him Father at one point?

Date: 2010-12-30 08:32 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Yep, end of chapter 44:

The painting which loomed over the fireplace was a portrait of the Hunter. With a smile, the creature called Riven Forrest raised the cup up toward it; the red liquid sloshed thickly inside.

"Here's to you, Dad," he whispered.

And he drank.


Date: 2010-12-30 08:34 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
And from that it's really, really obvious that Riven is the baby Iezu.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:35 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
I always thought so, yes! I remember how utterly confused I got the first time I encountered a story that assumed otherwise ...

Date: 2010-12-30 08:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
I thought it was an AU take *g* I remember actually quite liking the first I came across, despite the confusion.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:48 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
I think the most appealing part of the concept is that it would give new!Gerald a name, dammit. That's so bloody hard to write around in post-Trilogy fic, and every single original name fanfic writers have given him rings false somehow. *grumbles*

Date: 2010-12-30 08:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
I know! I kept trying to engineer ways to call him Gerald, but if you really stick with canon then that's sort of lethal.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:54 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Me too! Actually, I have a half-written ficlet that I think could even make it work, but "neener, neener, I figured out how to use his name!" doesn't really make a story. One day I'll come up with the perfect story to use that in ...

Date: 2010-12-30 09:08 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Heh. You know what really bugs me? That I can't work out a way to handle in a story that actually already has a plot. Do you remember my Yuletide fic from last year? I keep wanting to write a sequel for it, but I can't for the life of me work out how to let Gerald and Ciani meet again without it all imploding. :(

Date: 2010-12-30 09:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
Oh, what a pity, a sequel to that would be awesome. :-(

Date: 2010-12-30 09:14 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
As soon as I figure out how! ... Or someone else figures it out for me. *hint, hint*

Date: 2010-12-30 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
:-P

Tell you what, I've got a few bunnies I need to desperately discuss and bounce ideas about, we'll go and have a bunny pow-wow at some point soon.

Date: 2010-12-30 09:22 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Oooh, I like that idea! When? :D

Date: 2010-12-30 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
Got any plans for the weekend? ;-)

Date: 2010-12-30 09:40 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Not if I'm still alive after tomorrow night. :)

(If I'm not, I'm of course planning to become an undead sorceress, engineer my own ecosystem to live in, and generally arrange the world to my liking.)

Date: 2010-12-30 09:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
So you'll still have time for a bunny pow-wow. Perfect. ;-)

Date: 2010-12-30 09:52 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Basically ... YES. :D

Date: 2010-12-31 03:37 am (UTC)
alice_montrose: by me (Default)
From: [personal profile] alice_montrose
Indeed, I can't believe some people ask about things that seemed so obvious to me. I mean, sure, we might have gotten some facts wrong, but the basics? We got those right! Therefore, we should be rightfully proud of ourselves, I think! *nod nod nod*

Date: 2010-12-30 07:52 pm (UTC)
ext_47216: (Default)
From: [identity profile] elflady-2001.livejournal.com
Thanks for posting that! I've been on a Tarrant kick again and am devouring all the fic I can find. I've never had a fictional character drive me this crazy in a long time. It's like I can't let him go! *whimpers*

Date: 2010-12-30 08:34 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Ugh, that reminds me I really need to update the Index. It hasn't been updated since before last year's Yuletide! *headdesk*

(Not that there was very much in between, mind you.)

Date: 2010-12-30 09:25 pm (UTC)
ext_47216: (Default)
From: [identity profile] elflady-2001.livejournal.com
It's so sad...we need more fic! :P

Date: 2010-12-30 09:38 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
We really, really do!

Date: 2010-12-30 07:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] zedmeister.livejournal.com
I think some of this information was posted ages ago on merentha.org, but it's good to have it all spelled out. :)

Date: 2010-12-30 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
Should we just start to tick off all the things we already fixed in fanfic and consider them canon from now on, rather than speculation?

Although that one's a given as well. He's Gerald, of course he'll figure something out.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:12 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (words Coldfire)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Ha. Tarrant will always find a loophole. If there isn't a loophole, he will engineer one. Basic fact of the character. :)

Date: 2010-12-30 08:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
Exactly. It's not like he'll let a tiny thing like the laws of nature on a specific planet stop him.

Date: 2010-12-30 08:54 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
They're more like guidelines, anyway. Especially on Erna. All you have to do is believe it enough ... :D

Date: 2010-12-30 09:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
And if there's one thing Gerald is good at, it's believing.

Date: 2010-12-30 09:16 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
And I'm very good at believing in Gerald! :D

(Btw, how long has your website been dead? I only just noticed ...)

Date: 2010-12-30 09:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
Something broke in a database at the beginning of December and I haven't figured it out yet. Index, right?

Though I think I still owe you updated fic links anyway from waaay back, so if you sort of send me the source code again and I could input the AO3 links instead of the website... those look like the most permanent, assuming the archive lives on.

Date: 2010-12-30 09:22 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
No worries, I need to check all the links on the index anyway since it hasn't been updated for a year. I'll just replace yours with AO3 for now, and if your website comes online I'll put them in as alternate links if you don't mind. (With how irregularly I update, I'm really glad that I always collect all the alternate links I can find!)

Date: 2010-12-30 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
I solemnly swear to never delete fics on AO3. Orphan, at most, though seeing that I still admit to writing even the crappiest of crappy Vampire Chronicles fics in 1998, I doubt I'll ever deny that I wrote Coldfire. There are much worse skeletons in my fic-writing closet!

Date: 2010-12-30 09:40 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Heh. That would be much appreciated!

Date: 2010-12-31 01:28 am (UTC)
trobadora: (words Coldfire)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Btw, speaking of broken links - the background image for [livejournal.com profile] hunters_forest was also hosted on your site: http://www.surrealitycheck.net/lj/coldfire.jpg

Could you maybe upload it elsewhere so the pretty Gerald picture comes back? *g*

Date: 2010-12-31 03:21 am (UTC)
alice_montrose: by me (Default)
From: [personal profile] alice_montrose
There, he's back! ^_~

Not sure about the size though, sorry!

Date: 2010-12-31 01:38 pm (UTC)
trobadora: (Default)
From: [personal profile] trobadora
Fabulous!

You're right, the size is definintely larger than it used to be - on my 17 inch monitor here I can only see his upper half. *g* Any chance you could shrink it a bit?

Date: 2010-12-31 12:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] carmentalis.livejournal.com
Alice has been awesome and fixed it already. :-)

Date: 2010-12-31 03:35 am (UTC)
alice_montrose: by me (Default)
From: [personal profile] alice_montrose
In my mind, there was never a question about Gerald finding a loophole to keep doing what he does best. Besides, the loophole was obvious in that epilogue.

Date: 2010-12-31 12:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jitusk.livejournal.com
Of course he will find a loophole. It's just too bad the trilogy ended before we got to watch him do it. 8] But of course, all things must end, sope.

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